Reiki and Goetic spirits - Good idea? bad idea?

altpath · 10-18-2006, 08:10 PM

I'm going to evoke Orobas in about 8 days and I was wondering if Reiki would be a good offering to him. Has anybody ever tried to offer this kind of energy to a goetic? I wouldn't want to send him a charge of energy that he won't like.

Maybe if I simply sent him a charge (either to the sigil I'll have with me in the circle or to the triangle itself) that would be better. I will be asking for several things from him and offering him various things in exchange.

I'd like to get real replies, try to avoid posting things like "just ask him" or "try skrying" because I'm going to try to work with him to correct some problems I've been having with those methods. Right now I've got some major problems with my house and I'd like to have him help with that and at the same time get some dignity and respect for it. I think he's just right for the task. Besides, my astral senses are terrible right now, but that's never stopped me from doing successful evocations.

Any info is appreciated.

Alarum · 10-18-2006, 09:35 PM

My first reaction is... No. I think working with that kind of energy round a Goetic entity is a bit of a bad idea. Just offer him something else, fifty quid, a steak, maybe flowers or a song.
You're idea may work, and I'm certainly not telling you not to do it, just be careful. I'd love to hear the results if you do go ahead with it. I can't say I've ever heard of someone doing this before.

**fr.novumorganum** · 10-18-2006, 10:17 PM

I have to admit that is the first time I've run across that question. My first thought would be that spirits would like that energy, but I must ask, why are you even offering personal energy at all to a goetic? BTW, I'm not prejudiced against the howling folks, so my question doesn't imply that.

altpath · 10-19-2006, 12:01 AM

I don't really see Reiki as a personal energy. I see it as simply a different way of raising energy, without as much effort as the more conventional ways.

I've done it for other spirits with similar results as when I've given them energy through other methods, like from the earth, middle pillar, sex energy, etc. I assume it to be the same kind of energy, but with different intent. I've just never done it for a goetic, so I'm a bit wary.

I think alot of people are under the impression that reiki is different from regular ki (prana), but I don't think so. Who can tell me why it's different?

fr.novumorganum, how would you go about offering energy to a goetic that's not from your personal energy?

I am planning on offering a potted flower plant to him, actually, that I will tend to regularly after he has done what I ask for.

AetherManas · 10-19-2006, 10:40 AM

My instructor, as well as Paula Horan in her books, taught that in Reiki practice you act as a conduit through which energy gets focused, as opposed to supplying your subject with a bit of your own. But I haven't felt this energy "flavored" in any manner that could detract from the posible approval of any entity, malevolent, benevolent, or in between. It's like water -- gets the job done with no aftertaste (or calories!). So I don't see a conflict of any sort.

Perhaps if you make use of the Shinto flavoring that some instructors pepper their style with, it may cause a bit of confusion, but I've incorperated energy channeling techniques learned from a variety of schools, and vise versa, without negative effect.

**fr.novumorganum** · 10-19-2006, 12:17 PM

Altpath:

I would never offer personal energy to a goetic. I'm from the school of thought that does not believe in bartering with the howling, but rather commanding from right and will

altpath · 10-19-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fr.novumorganum

I would never offer personal energy to a goetic. I'm from the school of thought that does not believe in bartering with the howling, but rather commanding from right and will

I'd like to be the same way, but I don't think I should go about it that way, since so far, Orobas has been nice and patient with me. He's gone out of his way (the way I see it) to show me signs that he's willing and able to help with what I need and I don't feel a need to try to force him into submission. Maybe if things start to go badly I'll have to show who's the boss, but I don't expect that to happen.

Does anybody have any idea what Orobas actually is? I was thinking he was a planetary spirit, but I was hearing a voice as I was waking up this morning that told me he is much more than that, and it sounded a little offended. So is he an ancient God, or what?

**Stritheil** · 10-19-2006, 06:05 PM

My own experience with the Lesser Key was limited and long ago, so take my advice for what it's worth. But I think that when dealing with any of the Goetia, it's best to assume that the entity is psychopathic. So, yes, frequently charming, at least in the beginning. But in the long run rather more interested in its own wants and needs than yours.

The type of Reiki I learned involved channelling the energies of three very distinct entities who I think wouldn't much care to have afternoon tea with any of the Goetia. Or visa versa. I experienced Reiki as a very specific energy, not a neutral one. Perhaps it depends on who you took the workshops from.

However, if you're determined to send Orobas a gift of Reiki energy, why don't you send a charge through the sigil toward the triangle. That way, your little friend may be able to leap right into the circle with you. An excellent way to find out exactly what he is. (Please don't take this advice.)

altpath · 10-20-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Stritheil

However, if you're determined to send Orobas a gift of Reiki energy, why don't you send a charge through the sigil toward the triangle. That way, your little friend may be able to leap right into the circle with you. An excellent way to find out exactly what he is. (Please don't take this advice.)

Yeah, I definately won't be doing that.

Someone just suggested today that maybe charging a bowl of water with reiki might be safer. What do you guys think of that?

**Stritheil** · 10-20-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by altpath

Yeah, I definately won't be doing that.

Someone just suggested today that maybe charging a bowl of water with reiki might be safer. What do you guys think of that?

I've already suggested that Orobas might not like Reiki energy, although that's just a guess - I really don't have a clue. And I'd probably be more concerned if he did like it. Because your plan is apparently to evoke a powerful Goetic demon into a triangle of manifestation, then give him a big energy boost. Do you see a potential problem with that idea?