Jerking off to power magic will never get you anywhere useful.

[CPM1]

Perception is a matter of will.
Magic exists at different levels of happening and appearance.
It takes an act of will to stretch your senses or atune them to a higher vibration to be able to percieve the energy worlds.

Have you ever noticed you feel atuned higher after jerking off???

No nor have i.

Have some common sense there is no virtue in a useless waste product of a useless act.

Its not that end you have to stretch its the other end, ie your mind.

Occultly sex with a man and women is significant because its preparing the way for the creation of new life and because of that fact which itself is potent the occult makes sex potent. But i think that the occult does in fact notice the difference between useless sex that can not prepare the way for new life and sex which could and the useless sex it gives no potency to and the useful sex it does.


Masturbation lowers your spiritual vibration not raises it because it is useless and if its true that the sperm is a precious fluid then you just wasted it. The occult will not favour you wasting and misusing something which is designed by nature for an entirely different purpose.
Instead of favour the occult will treat you as a jerk.

I'm not a moralist i'm a follower of natures laws which are ocult laws as are the seasons and the power which comes from nature is because they grow by natures laws.
If you want power do it by the laws of nature, and if you want your power to grow do it by the way nature makes things grow.

But remember we are human not animal, we don't need to lick are arses clean because we have the ability to wash. So don't forget nature is an essential guide and also you are better in many ways then anything else in nature.

[Echoes]

I believe that the power in masturbatory techniques comes not from the physical substance, but rather, from the trance-like state of the practitioner as s/he carries out the act. Most often, I've heard of this technique being used by Chaos Magicians and Shamanistic occultists, both of whom rely heavily on trance to achieve communion with whatever spiritual forces they intend to employ. For them, masturbating is often detached from its nature as a mimick of intercourse, and is instead simply another method of silencing the mind in order to let the will operate unrestricted.

As to whether or not this method is effective, that is something which should be treated on a more personal basis, rather than in blanket statements about the nature of magic. Though I don't make use of the technique myself, I know a few people who swear by it, and because of this I think that it can't be completely discounted because one finds objection on more theoretical grounds.

In other words, don't knock it 'till you've tried it.

[voidgazing]

Um scientifically speakin, it is actually not a "useless act"; it is biologically beneficial to males to keep things... moving... down there. Not doing so can result in prostate problems, hormone imbalances, and crankiness. In the absence of a partner, nature has built that urge in to us. It is observable in other mammals.

I can understand that in your paradigm this might be considered a lower vibrational state or whatnot, but to broadly state that one must achieve certain kinds of ecstasy and not others for working magic is plainly a paradigm-centric view, as is your implied belief that we are somehow better or closer to Gawd than the animals are.

So what you're really saying is, this doesn't work for you. Duly noted. I don't use it myself, but I can clearly see from both a theoretical and practical standpoint how it could.

[UraTriUra]

See what happens when I do the following:

Originally Posted by CPM1

Masturbation is a matter of will.
Magic exists at different levels of happening and appearance.
It takes an act of will to stretch your senses or atune them to a higher vibration to be able to percieve the energy worlds.

This also makes sense.
Cause it is exactly like that.
And it is the way you said.

Some people belive using their sexual energies (in any way,
not only masturbation) will lower their magick.

And then there are people who belive that acting out your sexuality
rasies this said energy. That the sexual act itself (done alone or with
as many partners you wish or can handle) is magick.

And there are people who think jerking off kills little angles and
and makes crocodle babies cry. But you should think twice if you want to
listen to such people cause staying long in their company might make
them want to drink your brains with a straw.
I personally thing such people should masturbate more often.

[Brennan]

CPM wrote:

Masturbation lowers your spiritual vibration

I can see where you're coming from with this. While I can't name any off the top of my head, there are bound to be various traditional forms that view sexual energy as something that should be raised to higher vibrations through various exercises with abstinence from sexuality being one of them.

Though this does raise a question.

Theoretically speaking, do you suppose there might be a way to re-focus the 'release' of these sexual energies inwards and concentrate them so that as it builds through successive 'concentrations' the higher vibrations, once reached, are more 'palpable'?

I wonder this because I recall an exercise I read about once upon a time that was about using one's own energetic circuitry as sort of a distiller to concentrate Qi to a more "pure" form. It was geared twords the more energy-model inclined mage, but I don't see why sexual release could be focused in the same fashion.

[Draginvry]

Originally Posted by voidgazing

Um scientifically speakin, it is actually not a "useless act"; it is biologically beneficial to males to keep things... moving... down there.

I agree with voidgazing. There is no evidence that masturbation lowers vibration or spirituality.

[Astral Traveler]

Different strokes for different folks...

[Angelologist]

Originally Posted by CPM1

Perception is a matter of will.
Magic exists at different levels of happening and appearance.
It takes an act of will to stretch your senses or atune them to a higher vibration to be able to percieve the energy worlds.

Have you ever noticed you feel atuned higher after jerking off???

No nor have i.

Have some common sense there is no virtue in a useless waste product of a useless act.

Its not that end you have to stretch its the other end, ie your mind.

Occultly sex with a man and women is significant because its preparing the way for the creation of new life and because of that fact which itself is potent the occult makes sex potent. But i think that the occult does in fact notice the difference between useless sex that can not prepare the way for new life and sex which could and the useless sex it gives no potency to and the useful sex it does.


Masturbation lowers your spiritual vibration not raises it because it is useless and if its true that the sperm is a precious fluid then you just wasted it. The occult will not favour you wasting and misusing something which is designed by nature for an entirely different purpose.
Instead of favour the occult will treat you as a jerk.

I'm not a moralist i'm a follower of natures laws which are ocult laws as are the seasons and the power which comes from nature is because they grow by natures laws.
If you want power do it by the laws of nature, and if you want your power to grow do it by the way nature makes things grow.

But remember we are human not animal, we don't need to lick are arses clean because we have the ability to wash. So don't forget nature is an essential guide and also you are better in many ways then anything else in nature.

I guess it’s okay for women then, since we don’t have sperm to waste.

[Draginvry]

Originally Posted by Angelologist

I guess it’s okay for women then, since we don’t have sperm to waste.

Yeah, it's just a good cardio workout for you guys.

I don't really buy this whole "wasting life essence" nonsense. My friend thinks about nothing but sex, and he still manages to find enough energy to punch people off their feet when practicing Kung Fu.

All of the practical observations I've made suggest that sexual activity actually increases the energy in the body, not vice-versa.

[CPM1]

Lots of interesting responses which i thank you for.
Basically i'm of the same opinion.
Jerking off cannot prepare the way for new life , the occult does not recognise the term 'cardio vascular workout', its a piece of fantasy bullshit.
For that matter i hardly think that the occult recognises the term 'exercise'.
Why ? Because doing useful work or not doing useful work is the only thing the occult od nature recognises.
The penis or femail equivelent is made for purpose, over several million years, human 20th century ideas of cardiovascular workout or bonding behaviour , or 'leisure activity' for that matter are piffle compared to a million years of bio/logical/electrical programming.